i really do hate it when i accidentally press the captains quarters tbh

WiS types are delusional.

I'm just looking at the Rubicon patch notes here and honestly, I can't find a single thing on it that I would have been willing to sacrifice for more space-barbie features.

Agreed! Heavy duty industry requires UI improvements. I keep bugging CCP Karkur about it ;-) while she didn't promise anything, she's confirmed there is more and more ppl complaining about old S&I UI

people thinking the whole "summer of rage" was because of Incarna and WiS should remain quiet when people are discussing things they know nothing about... the real reason entire corps hit the unsub button was the "golden ammo" pseudo leak.

as soon as that hit locals and alliance chats everywhere, no one threatened to unsub, they just did it. and it was that lack of warning and "omg im going to unsub" threads that sent CCP into panic mode, this wasn't a bunch of 13year olds threatening to unsub if they didn't get what they wanted, this was people that already said "**** it, im out", no farewell threads, no stuff giveaways, nothing, just a corp mail saying "sorry guys, im going back to minesweeper and solitaire".

the idea of killing the sandbox and introducing Aur for Standing, Aur for better ammo, and several other things along the same lines was the end of it for a lot of people.

it wasn't Wis, it was the Aur store. mainly the fact that they were breaking the promise of "only cosmetical items".

so no, Wis was just another niche feature that 60% of eve didn't care for, but the other 40% loved. just like when they finnaly get to do the fabled SoV revamp... guess what, most people live on high, whs or low... they don't care for SoV. still, everyone agrees that its necessary and would be nice to have, dynamic Sov means more Pew Pew, more Pew Pew, more life in the sandbox.

this is eve, we are used to having features that target some obscure section of the player base, and we are fine with it because we are not wowtards, we understand that in this game its all connected. and Wis is targeted to a section of the player base that loses ships, holds sov, carebears in high and Rps a pirate in low, they are everywhere, and more of them wouldn't hurt this game in the least bit.

Like what though?

No one has given up one decent suggestion about what would actually be added in terms of real content by WiS

Im not having a go, Im seriously asking...


Beyond turning the station buttons into places you had to spend time walking to, what extra content would WiS allow?

I think his point is that the community will never think that the game is balanced. It's been 2 years since Incarna and people are already moaning about things that were balanced since then. 2 years, and they haven't covered half of the things that people have been asking for, like Sov, or POSes, or T3s. or Off-Grid-Boosters. Once those are balanced people will be moaning harder about the things that have already been updated/balanced as well as moaning about the stuff that will have been done since then.

Eve will never be balanced. It's a noble effort and I think has been fantastic so far, but that is a reality people will have to deal with. It will never be perfect.

Aside from that. CCP are working on 4 other projects aside from Eve, which are not pulling in an income. If they hadn't of done that (something most huge games companies would scoff at attempting), then we could have the balancing effort we are seeing now AND development of Avatar content.

"You'll next visit character creation. Several years ago CCP reconfigured the character creation to make it some of the best in the business, but many players became upset that any emphasis was being placed on systems other than on combat or spaceships. There was a perceived uproar (at least from this permanent newbie's perspective) that many EVE Online players thought that creating what is essentially in-game housing for avatars to walk around in was a useless and silly endeavor. There are many players (and I am not exaggerating) who would be happy with a series of spreadsheets to play with so they wouldn't have to mess with silly spaceships. Don't listen to some veteran player with a super-mean looking avatar: There were and still are many, many EVE Online players who would love the ability to socialize and explore outside of their spaceships. I am one of those people."

"When we look at it from the brand-newbie's perspective, the character creation and in-station time is essential. It gives the game some life, something that is often missing from the game. You can always find plenty of life within the chat box, but either you understand the appeal of social environments or you don't. It's a real shame that a new player walks up to the exit that will bring him into the social area of a station and it remains locked, even after all of this time."